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Super Clinical Ninja
Unethical Vendors

In our fast-paced careers as clinicians, we often find ourselves believing in the research-papers and literature supplied to us through the vendors that we meet throughout the industry.

As with most sales-driven industries, sales figures equate to bonuses received by sales representatives. Aside from a lucrative base commission, car allowances, and hefty expense accounts, vendors SHOULD uphold a code of ethics. Unfortunately, I have run into numerous examples of misrepresentation, and tactics often "bending the truth," just to stay beneath the legal "radar."

We should strive on assuring that all of our peers are still relying on scientific, unbiased, relevant information, rather than accepting knee-jerk decisions on a corporate level.

In example, I remember one summer's day when a sales representative from ICU Medical visited my facility in his quite impressive Lamborghini vehicle. Now what was I to think, when the vendor drove up in a vehicle worth well over $200,000.00!? Now its no wonder why such a cut-throat competition exists these product peddlers throughout the medical device industry.

Another example may be that of the same above-referenced company using tactics that "bend the truth." As a matter of fact, I attended the SHEA (Society of Hospital Epidemiologists) National Conference earlier this year due to the fact that my hospital's PICC team had demonstrated a decreased infection rate based on our best practices. During the Poster Rounds session of the conference, the Physician Leader of the Poster Rounds publically discredited the study of one particular researcher. That particular researcher happens to be on ICU Medical's payroll, and they have even had the nerve of using this misleading study as part of their marketing arsenal. They title this scientifically unsound study as "ground breaking." It is clearly posted on their website (www.icumedical.com)

After researching this ongoing vendor drama for a few hours the other night, I came across another interesting example of "vendor drama." In this particular case, the MicroClave people against the Invision Plus people. Check out Rymed's website when you get a chance (www.rymedtech.com). The following is just a taste of the corporate message from the website:

"TO RYMED’S CUSTOMERS AND PROSPECTIVE CUSTOMERS:
RYMED RESPONDS TO ICU MEDICAL’S FLAGRANT MISREPRESENTATIONS
Rather than competing fairly in the marketplace, ICU Medical has taken to spreading false and
misleading information regarding RyMed’s products and the lawsuits between the parties.
In addition ICU Medical has stooped to improper and unethical scare tactics. They have threatened
to sue a University, its researchers and nurses, and subpoenaed financial information from a Monastery
and its nuns. An ICU Medical representative has even secretly tape recorded a researcher’s nursing
conference presentation on the favorable clinical and in-vitro study results pertaining to RyMed’s
InVision-Plus...."

Now if this type of behavior was taking place in my home, I would quickly send my kids to separate rooms.

I'm sure you all know of the wonderful contracting issues that your hospital's partake in. Do you find it ethical when your hospital changes medical products without involving key clinician stakeholders? What if your facilitiy decides to change from a superior, patient-safety proven product, to a far inferior product simply because it is thrown in for a fraction of the cost...as long as the facility (or healthcare system) agree to purchase IV fluids from the particular vendor? Yes folks...this happens every day!!! As a matter of fact, my sister works within the Kaiser Permanente Healthcare System in Southern California. This particular system has just signed a major IV fluids contract with B. Braun, which brings with it a guaranteed low price for their needleless connectors. Even though the new IV connectors that they are "throwing in" with their contract have no clinical evidence of decreasing infections. As a matter of fact, the vendor misrepresents information to key clinicians, and unfrotunately these key clinicians choose to take the bait, hook, line, and sinker. They simply state that whatever evidence exists from other clear IV connectors (i.e. MaxPlus, Microclave clear, etc)...this can be used when comparing their product. What on earth do the three connectors have in common...absolutely nothing (other than perhaps being labeled as "clear).

Oh my goodness, don't get me started on skin preps, CHG-impregnated dressings, etc.... There is so much corruption that I truly worry about the direction our industry has taken.

Due to the length of this entry, I am planning on contributing additional information on various other needleless connectors, dressing kits, etc...in upcoming entries. PLEASE share this information with your education and infection prevention departments before they too fall prey to unethical vendors.

Yours Truly,

SCN

 

 

lynncrni
Since you have not disclosed

Since you have not disclosed who you are, who you work for, and what other biases you may have, why should we accept what you have written? So that we can properly evaluate your comments, we need to know this information. Thanks Lynn

Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RN, NPD-BC, CRNI

Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc.

PO Box 10

Milner, GA 30257

Website http://www.hadawayassociates.com

Office Phone 770-358-7861

Super Clinical Ninja
Not sure what this has to do

Not sure what this has to do with the fact that I have referenced webistes of your review. This is not in any way something that I have imagined, rather is posted on both referenced websites.

By the way, I have been placing PICC lines for 9 years, in a hospital located in Los Angeles County, California. I have a husband of 24 years, and 2 children.

Would you like my dob and social security number. I'm just stating the facts. Look at the websites, contact the hospital system...do what you wish. Do you honestly think that I'm going to disclose my full name publically when sharing information about a company such as ICU Medical...who seem to litigate with anyone who questions their product(s)?

Yours Truly,

SCN

lynncrni
I am only expecting the same

I am only expecting the same level of disclosure that is now required when one gives any type of continuing education presentation. All CE presentations now require complete disclosure of all information about all relationships (employment, consultant, grant receiver, stock holder, etc.) the presenter, spouse, and/or other family members have with any manufacturer of a drug or device. With this information, the reader/participant can draw their own conclusions about the potential biases of the presenter. Without full disclosure, these potential biases are hidden. Sounds like informed consent for our patients to me. If you are concerned about possible litigation, I would also be concerned about putting the information in such a public forum even without my name. Names can be located by a good detective trained in work on the Internet. I frequently receive information in newsletter, etc about this. Lynn

 

Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RN, NPD-BC, CRNI

Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc.

PO Box 10

Milner, GA 30257

Website http://www.hadawayassociates.com

Office Phone 770-358-7861

Super Clinical Ninja
Sounds like a fantastic idea.

Sounds like a fantastic idea. All that needs to be know is that I'm a practicing PICC Nurse. For the same reasons of not being a socialite on Facebook or MySpace, my name doesnt need to float around cyberspace if I can help it. I agree that knowing an individual biases is important, this has nothing to do with biases...rather information already posted on manufacturer websites.

Unless this forum now requires all users to log in with their social security number, with full pre-approval background check, you will always have individuals claiming that they are someone else.

I just looked over the forum listing...and there are countless entries from unidentifiable sources. However, I never questioned their credibility or background, or financial disclosures. As mentioned before, we are adults, and can take the information posted on this website as just that..."information." Just because it's posted on iv-therapy.net....does not mean its the final word. There are many opinions, experiences, and suggestions posted on this forum...and that is all I have disclosed within my posting...mere "Experience" in conjunction to cited website references.

 

 

Chris Cavanaugh
It's all relative and there are safeguards

Just like there are good RNs and poor ones, there are good sales reps and poor ones, and good companies and poor ones.  Like anything else we purchase, diapers to automobiles, we need to practice let the buyer beware with medical devices as well.  To do anything less would be irresponsible. 

There is a Code of Ethics for medical vendors, it is called ADVAMED.  This group requires high standards from it's members, and has a code of ethics they must follow.  Some companies belong, some do not.  You can find out those who do by visiting this website:

http://www.advamed.org/MemberPortal/About/code/Certifying+Companies.htm

You can also download a copy of the code from there, and learn all about what ADVAMED does.

If you encounter a sales rep from a ADVAMED member company that is not following this code, then I would encourage you to report this not only to the company (via their customer service line, which is independent of the sales group) but also to ADVAMED directly via thier website. 

 

Chris Cavanaugh

Sr. Vascular Access Clinical Specialaist

Teleflex

Chris Cavanaugh, RN, BSN, CRNI, VA-BC

Chris Cavanaugh
It's all relative and there are safeguards

Just like there are good RNs and poor ones, there are good sales reps and poor ones, and good companies and poor ones.  Like anything else we purchase, diapers to automobiles, we need to practice let the buyer beware with medical devices as well.  To do anything less would be irresponsible. 

There is a Code of Ethics for medical vendors, it is called ADVAMED.  This group requires high standards from it's members, and has a code of ethics they must follow.  Some companies belong, some do not.  You can find out those who do by visiting this website:

http://www.advamed.org/MemberPortal/About/code/Certifying+Companies.htm

You can also download a copy of the code from there, and learn all about what ADVAMED does.

If you encounter a sales rep from a ADVAMED member company that is not following this code, then I would encourage you to report this not only to the company (via their customer service line, which is independent of the sales group) but also to ADVAMED directly via thier website. 

 

Chris Cavanaugh

Sr. Vascular Access Clinical Specialaist

Teleflex

Chris Cavanaugh, RN, BSN, CRNI, VA-BC

Super Clinical Ninja
Advamed

This is very good to know... Thank you Chris. I will certainly pass this on to my educators. It would be great to reference this organization in our purhasing department P&P's.

Regards,

SCN

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