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Beth George
Midline orders and bedsign

I was wondering if anyone had a sample midline bedsign and standing orders they could share with me.  We really don't place many midlines but on occasion when we can't get a PICC to thread we will use a midline.  Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

Beth

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Hi Beth I will share our
Hi Beth I will share our standing order sheet which I believe has gone through here before.  We just circle mid-line.  I will tell you though we generally will send to IR if we can't thread.  If our intent was a PICC, then most likely we need a Picc.  Usually we only plce a midline on say a sickle cell pt who may be getting fluid sand an appropriate pain med.  Hope this helps. Susan
Beth George
Susan, Thanks for the

Susan,

Thanks for the information.  We don't have PICC placement through IR.  We are relatively new and if we aren't able to get a PICC to thread we will try pulling back to midline to leave the patient with access if possible.  We don't like to use a midline and often will refer to the surgeon for CVL placement.

 

Thanks again,

Beth

Beth George, CRNI, VA-BC
Nurse Clinician/Vascular Access
UAB Medicine
Birmingham, AL

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Karen Day
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quick question, if you can't

quick question, if you can't get a picc line to thread, do you pull that line back to midline and secure it?  I am just curious about this procedure - I am hesitant to leave a picc placed as a midline because exteriorly it is marked as picc and then this becomes "off labeled".  We all know that despite the signs, education, and charting we as picc team members provide - someone will still take for granted that this is a picc line and infuse some type of vesicant through it without verifying true tip placement and therefore increase the probability of an adverse outcome for the patient (thrombus or other vessel problem).

I did this early on in my picc insertions because our IR informed us to.  After researching and finding out more education about why this shouldn't be done, I presented this info to IR and they no longer advise us to do that.  I realize you don't have IR to help with your lines, but if you provide this education to your MD's who may not be aware of the potential risks involved, I think you will find many of them will eventually come to support you and respect you for watching out for your patients.  If we can't advance a picc line into the SVC where it is truly a PICC, we discuss options with the physician such as a Hickman, PAC or a central line depending on how long the therapy is needed.  It's a difficult and tedious process to work through sometimes, but in the end you know that what you are doing is the right thing to protect you and your patients.

 

JB
Hi Karen, We (here at our

Hi Karen,

We (here at our facility) fully & completely agree w/ you.  We will occasionally receive an order from outside, for an OP to have a "midline" placed.  We then promptly call the ordering MD to advise... "we do not place midlines at this hospital" & ask if they'd like a picc while their Pt is already here.  The answer is always "YES".

Over the last 2 years, we've had 2 Pt's that couldn't be threaded to SVC D/T assumed thrombosis or sclerosis.... both were end stage renal Pt's, in ICU w/ significant need for immediate access & after exhausting the possibilities for a picc... left them as midlines.  This was considered to be the best course of action while the intensivist consulted a vascular surgeon.... it was felt that the midline was superior to the 24ga PIV's.  We will attempt both EJ's & UE's as appropriate to the Pt before surrendering to a possible midline. 

I do remember that one of these Pt's was attempted by the surgeon.... both IJ's failed to thread central & the best they achieved was a femoral line.... I don't recall the others outcome.

Because the midline is EXTREMELY rare here, we have our sign to help remind the RN's & the MD's that it's not a picc.... We make sure it's repeated everywhere.... Kardex, computer, above the bed, etc.... And, most important.... we're VERY anxious to see it replaced ASAP if LT access is still required. 

To sum up all this rambling..... we never start out w/ the intent of placing a midline.  If faced w/ a line that won't thread SVC, no other options (switching arms or moving to EJ) exists, we will then pull the tip back till our Navigator indicates that the tip is ~ mid-clavical & where a brisk blood return exists.  Next, evaluate this Pt for what would be the best possible access for the need & discuss w/ the attending MD.

Jim

  

lynncrni
Jim, please do not confuse

Jim, please do not confuse midline tip location with midclavicular tip location. They are not the same. Your practice is exactly what is outlined in the old NAVAN PICC Tip Location position paper - Midclavicular is never the original goal but may be considered when "anatomic or pathophysiological reasons prohibit tip location in the SVC." The paper outlines all the points that should be considered in this decision. But midline can be and often is the intended tip location. The difference is the type of fluids and meds that can be infused through a midline vs a PICC. Lynn 

 

Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RN, BC, CRNI

www.hadawayassociates.com

Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., NPD-BC, CRNI

Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc.

PO Box 10

Milner, GA 30257

Website http://www.hadawayassociates.com

Office Phone 770-358-7861

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